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    Post by andi goodwin on Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:35 am

    M Carey wrote:Kunos is just the developer, FVA's Ferrari's product.




    and Ferrari is just Fiat's product .... ;o)
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    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:07 am

    guys, at the end of the day there is no game that hasn't been cracked/opened in a way or an other.

    from 3DSimEd website
    3DSimEd is a visual tool allowing you to import data from many different formats of racing simulators including Race 07, GTR Evolution, STCC The Game, GTR2, rFactor, GTL, GTR, Papyrus Nascar 2003 & Grand Prix Legends (GPL), Formula 1 2002 (F1 2002), Formula 1 Career Challenge (F1 CC), Nascar SimRacing, Race Driver Grid, TOCA Race Driver, Nascar Heat, Viper Racing and many other racing simulator formats. A range of simple editing tools are available to allow you to modify data. Your models can then be saved to Race 07, GTR Evolution, GTR2, rFactor, GTL, N2003, GTR, Nascar Heat, Viper Racing and F1CC/F1-2002 formats.

    When I bought F1 2010 in preorder to try it as soon as I could (I was pretty curious), I've been really disappointed to see that cracked game could be downloaded even before the game was released!

    It took 1 year before someone got interested into FVA, and 5 before the same person got interested into nKPRO.

    Any software house knows that there is virtually no way to stop those things to happen. There are really talented guys out there!




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    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:53 am

    some time ago in a discussion on the CD-Check that SimBin requested for all conversion of their contents to other games, Kunos said.

    Kunos on DrivingItalia wrote:
    da sviluppatore... se qualcuno si convertisse il mugello di FVA o la Abarth di nkpro per rFactor mi farebbe MOLTO piacere se questo qualcuno inserisse un ipocrita "nkCheck" nell'installer.


    that translated is:
    Kunos on DrivingItalia tranlated wrote:
    as a developer, if anyone would ever convert Mugello from FVA or the nkpro Abarth in rFactor, I would love that an hypocric "nkCheck" was present on the installer


    In that topic someone was complaining about the hypocrisy (in their view) of the cd-check.



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    Post by henrizio on Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:28 pm

    Wally Masterson wrote:The question is, what is Kunos going to do about all of this? Ignore it? Waste time trying to stop this kind of thing - time that could be better spent on development? Or head it off at the pass and just release the FVA cars in nkPro (if he can)?

    Kegetys posted about FVA in finnish forum. He is not gonna release it.
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    Post by Sergio Marques on Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:44 pm

    It was FVA that make me look into NetKar and after bought it, it's been a long time since I don't use FVA anymore, no point in use it just for hotlaps, so it would be nice that Kunos and Ferrari made an agreement that who had bought FVA could also use it in Netkar.
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    Post by M Carey on Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:27 pm

    FVA was cracked the day after release (iirc). From what other people have told me (so don't quote me on this Razz) Kunos has been fairly threatening with this kind of thing, for example when the Formula Ford was converted to rFactor. With FVA being Ferrari's (sorry Andi - Fiat's Very Happy) I guess it would be up to them to take any legal action. Even then I don't know what "crime" has been committed Smile SimBin are generally tolerant of their content being ported between their titles, but as FVA is supposed to be a separate product, Ferrari might not be. IF the FVA content was converted to another sim' like rF then that would be a bad thing. As it stands I don't really see a major problem with this, unless if affects FVA sales (but as it isn't gonna be released it shouldn't) or if it affects any further work Kunos might not get.

    P.S. I seem to recall someone being sued or at least threatened for converting a Ferrari from another game (can't remember the details though).
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    Post by Marco Calesella on Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:12 pm

    Out of the legal aspects, I think that a straight conversion of the FVA car could be not really easy since it should be checked if the physic work in the correct way also in teh netKar engine.
    I strongly suspect it could be necessary some tweaks to make it working like a F1 car in the new "environment".

    Different topic is about the tracks, that should technically work without problems also in netKar.
    I really would like to have finally Fiorano on netKar...
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    Post by laurent resende on Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:40 pm

    Attention! in terms of money, its brand image and its properties copyright Ferrari not kidding! is almost worse than Eclestone with F1!!!!!! and they have an army of lawyers available to them!!!!!

    Ferrari owns the FVA! Kunos is the supplier and manufacturer ( on behalf of Ferrari ) of the FVA

    At each draw conclusions for a possible conversion is not authorized by Ferrari !!!!!!



    attention !!!en matière d'argent,,d'image de sa Marque et de ses propriétés copyright Ferrari ne plaisante pas!!!c'est presque pire que Eclestone avec la F1!!!!!! et ils ont une armée d'avocat à leur disposition !!!!!

    Ferrari est propriétaire de la FVA!! Kunos n'est que le fournisseur et fabricant (pour le compte de Ferrari) de la FVA

    A chacun d'en tirer les conclusions pour une éventuelle conversion non autorisé par Ferrari
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    Post by M Carey on Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:06 pm

    By the looks of it the guy swapped some files with the KS2 to make it work. The tracks should work fine, as we did see Kunos' server running Nurburgring (& this mystery 911cup car), & also if you open Mugello & Nurburgring in a text editor you see the paths C:\nkpro11beta3\tracks\mugello\texture & D:\graphics\nurburgring-nkpro\texture.
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    Post by laurent resende on Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:30 pm

    Ferrari have released a free simulation called " Virtual Race Ferrari " with a version ( superbe!!) Mugello, one can conduct different version of the current Ferrari road

    but the simulation at the level of feelings is really very bad! by against the graphics are amazing

    I have personal but must be checked on their site if it is still available
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    Post by laurent resende on Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:31 pm

    name simu" Ferrari virtual Race"
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    Post by M Carey on Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:32 pm

    I tried it, it was ok to play with the keyboard, anything else it was horrid with Smile
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    Post by laurent resende on Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:34 pm

    M Carey wrote:I tried it, it was ok to play with the keyboard, anything else it was horrid with Smile

    I just made two or three laps, although it supports the G27, but what he is feeling at the bad!!!!! lol
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    Post by Simon Bevcic-batina on Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:31 am

    lol! rendeer


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    Post by M Carey on Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:32 am

    Another person has managed it? Surprised

    EDIT: No hands & the head looks a bit big but apart from that it looks good!
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    Post by Pobb R Tippet on Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:50 pm

    HOLY PANTS!!!! awesomeeeeeee! F1 car(s) in netkar... could be a brilliant league Razz

    I actually drooled on my keyboard a little bit

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    Post by M Carey on Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:03 pm

    I jizzed on mine Very Happy
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    Post by MikaRaymond on Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:16 pm

    is it based on the ks2? what kind of setup adjustments can you make? does it use 30 wings or max 17?
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    Post by M Carey on Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:21 pm

    The KS2 is based on the F10. You can see some setup options in kegetys video.
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    Post by giancarlo graziano on Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:00 pm

    cheers
    looks amazing


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    Post by M Waechter on Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:53 pm

    MikaRaymond wrote:is it based on the ks2? what kind of setup adjustments can you make? does it use 30 wings or max 17?


    seem to be based on the v1.3 KS2 setups (just regqarding the wing value):
    F10 setup (video)

    Thx, M Carey for the link advise, pretty interesting to read values Alonso's setup Wink.
    Unfrotunately the video-maker did not click on the 'corner - tab' to see what tire values are mentioned there.
    - here is a copy of the setup visible there in the video:

    gear-gaps (km/h): 51,24,42,38,36,49
    wing: 19/23
    ride-high: 20mm / 77mm, rod: 41mm / 52mm
    spring-stiffness: 170N/mm / 130N/mm (6.0 Hz / 4.8 Hz)
    aero-calc: 4,3% (rear)
    spring (N/m/s): 600, 1000, 3000, 5000 (both the same at rear & front)
    packer (mm): (124) 98 / (100) 118
    ARB: 70% (front) -> 105, 100, 2000 / 0, 50, 1000 [ARB N/mm, heave N/mm, heave d N/m/s]
    brake-bias: 60.500 (front)

    I just wonder why F1 cars seem to need such a quite 'understeering' setup, the front Hz is much higher then the rear Hz [spring: 170N / 130 N]
    (Hz difference is something like at my old crappy/imperfect KS2 setup I used all the time before the Hungaroring event) and the ARB with 70% at front is pretty high adjusted to the front as well. Maybe this beasts would be undriveable with less than that Smile (lose rear).


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    Post by M Carey on Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:59 pm

    I assume the understeery setup is so it's easier for people to jump in & drive.
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    Post by MikaRaymond on Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:37 am

    any car can be perfected with a setup Smile

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    Post by René Lorig on Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:46 pm

    The corner tab is visible for just a small time.
    Here are the values:
    Front: Camber: -1.600; Toe: -0.050; Pressure: 21.000 psi
    Back: Camber: -1.000; Toe: 0.000; Pressure: 22.000 psi
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    Post by Leonardo Ratafia on Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:32 pm

    waiting for the Ferrari 458 mod, could it be possible?

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