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    Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Wally Masterson on Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:26 am

    Hi guys,
    It seems a lot of the fastest FTarget/Zandvoort drivers on the rank: http://www.wagenvoort.net/rank/track-records.php?trackid=101&carid=21

    are here.

    Do any of the top guys care to share setups and/or replays? Our fastest Aussie guy, Istvan, is 1.5 secs off the pace and we want to see how it's done Smile

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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Simon Bevcic-batina on Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:44 pm


    setup? Razz


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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by giancarlo graziano on Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:13 pm

    x e video and the lap////.....


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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Luca Mosca on Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:44 pm

    Simon, una curiosità...mi piacerebbe sapere con che risoluzioni guidi, pollici monitor e FOV ????
    Sembri lontanissimo rispetto a come guido io...


    PS:....complimenti per il giro Cool


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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Simon Bevcic-batina on Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:16 pm

    si qua uso sui 55 di fov....e un monitor 1280m1080(ho il cavo hdmi rotto)..se no, ho intorno al 45 di fov con 1920-1080 sul proietore


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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Fabio Grippa on Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:06 am

    I do not use the autoclutch, and I have just 2 pedals...it require some attention when spinning to avoid the engine to be shouted down, but I think shifting is faster....Moreover when I brake I have to push a little bit on the accelerator (like 10-15%) to avoid the rear wheel to be locked...I cannot find a way to brake with Ftarget without doing this...

    About set-up, I have tires temperature too high after just 2 laps...I didn't find way to make them lower...If someone has some suggestion...

    I can do the same time more or less with both high and low wings load...finally my PB was done with 24/20

    Hope this can help!

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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Wally Masterson on Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:43 am

    Thanks for the responses guys. We raced last night and our #1 got down to a 1m31.869.

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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Leonardo Ratafia on Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:55 am

    where it's better to shift up? the data says the power peak is at 5900rpm... but the engine's sounds tells different.. like 6500 rpm should be good.?

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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Wally Masterson on Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:36 am

    Leonardo Ratafia wrote:where it's better to shift up? the data says the power peak is at 5900rpm... but the engine's sounds tells different.. like 6500 rpm should be good.?
    Using the default AIM shift points, I shift just at the point that the LEDs blink.

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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Fabio Grippa on Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:04 am

    I think it is better to shift up at 6500/6700rpm, like Simon did on his video...changing at the point the LEDs blink I think is a bit early...

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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Gianluca Bonifacio on Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:22 am

    a few years ago, helping with the graphs of torque and power, i had calculated the shifting "ideal" regime of all the cars in nkpro (at the time were only 4)... i don't have now the data to watch, but in general is not convenient change under the regime of maximum power, unless you have turned on the light of the reserve.. Very Happy


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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:25 am

    those are the characteristic of the engine:
    208 bhp @6250 RPM
    265 Nm @5500 RPM
    with a limiter at 8000 RPM (so very high).
    torque and power goes down quite fast after their maximum, so isn't worth shifting after th 6300 RPM.

    AIM lights are correct are correct.
    {nk folder}\cars\Ftarget\setup\aim.ini
    Code:

    [AIM]
    RPM1=5900
    RPM2=6000
    RPM3=6100
    RPM4=6200
    RPM5=6300
    AL1=1
    AL2=2
    AL3=3
    AL4=4
    CHANNEL1=9
    CHANNEL2=1
    CHANNEL3=2
    CHANNEL4=17
    CHANNEL5=0
    ENABLED=1

    The problem is the sound. if you look at the
    {nk folder}\cars\Ftarget\sfx\engine.nke
    we have the onhigh sound that is used between 7000 and 10000 rpm, that's definitely too high.

    [SAMPLE_4]
    FILENAME=Ftrgt-onhigh.wav
    IN=7000
    OUT=10000

    I'm not sure if this is done on purpose or it's a mistake.

    Does anyone have time to do some experiments with the sound changing the IN and OUT for the samples?
    It should "feel" right to shift at 6300 RPM.
    I would try with the onhigh sample setting IN around 5800-6000 and have an even distribution with the lower revs samples.


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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Fabio Grippa on Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:29 pm

    Thanks Andrea and Gianluca for clarifying the best shifting rpm! I'll try to shift up then at 6300!!

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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by M Carey on Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:12 pm

    Gianluca Bonifacio wrote:a few years ago, helping with the graphs of torque and power, i had calculated the shifting "ideal" regime of all the cars in nkpro (at the time were only 4)
    The ones Juha here?

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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Gianluca Bonifacio on Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:37 pm

    oh yes.. Smile

    if the curves of torque and power have not changed from that nkpro version, my secret txt (from now, no more Very Happy ) marks 6350 for the FTarget... Razz


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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Leonardo Ratafia on Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:26 pm

    this is taken from the official website, if it´s wrong or outdated... as it seem to be
    http://www.netkar-pro.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=95&Itemid=223〈=en
    ENGINE SPEC
    2000cc 4cylweight: 550 kg
    230 bhp@5600rpmRear Wheel Drive
    320 Nm@4900rpmW.D.:41% front

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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Leonardo Ratafia on Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:29 pm

    so could you please post the right engine data for all cars or is it written somewhere, like the manual or it´s unofficial information?
    maidirecamber´s blog has the same wrong info about the engines, at least for the F3.

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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:55 pm

    The info I posted this morning are related to the current version. info on the website (at least for the FTarget) and on Lastplace graphs are outdated
    Andrea Lojelo wrote:those are the characteristic of the engine:
    208 bhp @6250 RPM
    265 Nm @5500 RPM
    with a limiter at 8000 RPM (so very high).
    torque and power goes down quite fast after their maximum, so isn't worth shifting after th 6300 RPM.




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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Leonardo Ratafia on Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:06 pm

    ok, i´ve read it yes, thanks, but it´s taken from the game itself? the other cars have the right info or they haven´t changed it?

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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:09 pm

    I've checked just this car. If I'll have some time I'll try to create updated graphs for all cars


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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Leonardo Ratafia on Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:19 pm

    that'd be fantastic Smile thanks a lot Andrea! take your time

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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Andrea Lojelo on Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:24 pm

    Leonardo Ratafia wrote:take your time
    I will Smile Pretty busy lately Smile


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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by M Carey on Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:54 pm

    Andrea Lojelo wrote:The info I posted this morning are related to the current version. info on the website (at least for the FTarget) and on Lastplace graphs are outdated
    What car do we have? I thought Riccardo Azzoli said quite recently it was a F304 with a Opel Spiess engine.

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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Luca Mosca on Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:50 pm

    Setup info:
    What should I set to make my car turn more when I lift my foot from the accelerator without having to modify suspension and wings? Tnx!

    PS: Sorry for my english
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    Re: Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort

    Post by Fabio Grippa on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:24 pm

    Diminuisci il valore di coast nel differenziale come primo tentativo....eventualmente diminuisci anche il preload del differenziale...

    Try to lower the values of coast and eventually preload on the differential settings...

    Hope this can help!

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