1.3 Final

I just lost my favourite racing sim.



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I just only try online with a new driver name and not see problem. Only who crash in a guardrail and go direct to boxes. ??? It's a server config?
I will put mi licenced name now and will look about it.

P/S: What folders I need to conserverd to the old version? I was backup all netkar-pro folder but here are replays who I think are not necesary to use with the new version.

I have the same problem, but only offline. multiplayer run ok

known issue with known solution

Andrea Lojelo wrote:known issue with known solution

yes! it's true. thanks!

Victor Villanueva wrote:I just only try online with a new driver name and not see problem. Only who crash in a guardrail and go direct to boxes. ??? It's a server config?
I will put mi licenced name now and will look about it.

P/S: What folders I need to conserverd to the old version? I was backup all netkar-pro folder but here are replays who I think are not necesary to use with the new version.

NEW VERSION only need the folder licence/ driver in document
..all the add on track and sckin in a main folder...
REMEMBER TO NOT OVERWRITE THE 5 ORIGINAL TRACK..

replay don t need ..and I think don t work enywere.....

ah o.k. Well I haven't added any of the add on tracks yet. Ah well. I guess it's just a multiplayer for now.

I have a problem...with these cars:abarth/1800/1600 i cant race,when i go offline or online with these cars i see only blue sky,the screen is shaking and i hear the car that turns off and on all the time...

have you done a nice and clean installation?

Yes,i first uninstalled nkpro beta and all files and then install the new one..All cars working well except these 3..

and the document\netkar pro folder? deleted (after a backup)?

Of course,i followed your instructions!

Tomas Torasen wrote:But now when I tried the new netKar I'm not sure if it's me being used to iRacing physics or just for my taste I dont feel the improvement from the last version of netKar.. I do feel a difference.. but it feels numbed down, not more detailed FFB as mentioned by beta testers..
But as I said, it can be really confusing going between different sims and this might very well be what makes it hard for me to appreciate and understand it.

For me it would be very interesting to hear from betatesters in what way they feel the physics and FFB feeling have improved.. more detailed explanation exactly where it is improved..

This is quote from incoming thread.

Same kind of feeling here. I don't have the good old feeling that was promised. FFB doesn't feel any different from previous version.

henrizio wrote:

Tomas Torasen wrote:But now when I tried the new netKar I'm not sure if it's me being used to iRacing physics or just for my taste I dont feel the improvement from the last version of netKar.. I do feel a difference.. but it feels numbed down, not more detailed FFB as mentioned by beta testers..
But as I said, it can be really confusing going between different sims and this might very well be what makes it hard for me to appreciate and understand it.

For me it would be very interesting to hear from betatesters in what way they feel the physics and FFB feeling have improved.. more detailed explanation exactly where it is improved..

This is quote from incoming thread.

Same kind of feeling here. I don't have the good old feeling that was promised. FFB doesn't feel any different from previous version.

personal preference I guess. The FFB on the star mazda feels numb for me but no numb feeling on any of the cars on netkar.

so some are able to use offline and some arent'?

guys, there is less FF gain in the car setup. head over to "view" and increase it to your previous values.

Jeff Paul wrote:personal preference I guess. The FFB on the star mazda feels numb for me but no numb feeling on any of the cars on netkar.

It's not personal preference. Netkar FFB was better in v1.2 and older versions. KS2 was first car with this new type of FFB and now it's in all cars. Andrea promised changes, but I can't notice any.

henrizio wrote:

Jeff Paul wrote:personal preference I guess. The FFB on the star mazda feels numb for me but no numb feeling on any of the cars on netkar.

It's not personal preference. Netkar FFB was better in v1.2 and older versions. KS2 was first car with this new type of FFB and now it's in all cars. Andrea promised changes, but I can't notice any.

we always need to remember that FFB is a matter of taste and also it is never a true representation of how a steering wheel react on a car .
So we will always be at some trade off in some way , as long as the car in soe way communicates drift and slide and snap , you can learn to accept that this is the sign and then correct it, other than that its just preference how we like the power of the FFB , until there is some way of creating "REAL" FFB in a game there will always be a trade off




Andi

henrizio wrote:

Tomas Torasen wrote:But now when I tried the new netKar I'm not sure if it's me being used to iRacing physics or just for my taste I dont feel the improvement from the last version of netKar.. I do feel a difference.. but it feels numbed down, not more detailed FFB as mentioned by beta testers..
But as I said, it can be really confusing going between different sims and this might very well be what makes it hard for me to appreciate and understand it.

For me it would be very interesting to hear from betatesters in what way they feel the physics and FFB feeling have improved.. more detailed explanation exactly where it is improved..

This is quote from incoming thread.

Same kind of feeling here. I don't have the good old feeling that was promised. FFB doesn't feel any different from previous version.

me promising? nah. It was just my personal feedback on the version we were trying. I feel the car much more than before now. Maybe it's just because we spend too much time driving those cars, therefore it's easier to spot even tiny differences. Anyway this was the same feeling the most of the testers had immediately after trying the first package. I can feel much more when the tire is on its limit, and adjust the steering angle accordingly.

From the other side, in the release notes, that we saw only yesterday, is written:
-Improved tyre model slip model
-Improved differential math model (not sure if this is relevant or not, but I guess so)

I heard from Stefano even some other small changes not mentioned in the release notes. At the end of the day it's all about feeling.

Maybe it depends even on the ffb settings you use, and the kind of wheel you use.
I'm pretty happy about it, honestly. I apologize if my words have been misleading. I hope that for others can have my same feeling.

hi guys is there a possibility to remove the fva time laps poping into the screen?

Andrea Lojelo wrote:Maybe it depends even on the ffb settings you use, and the kind of wheel you use.
I'm pretty happy about it, honestly. I apologize if my words have been misleading. I hope that for others can have my same feeling.

I got G25 and my settings in profiler are overall strengt 103% rest 0%. In game I use 0.500-0.700 rest 0. Maybe there is something wrong in .ini files? What is the FFB difference from 1.2 to 1.3?

Still got v1.2 in my system and there F2000 FFB feels great. Like I said before KS2 never had grip details in FFB. I can feel just bigger bumps and kerbs. This is like if colours would change from 32bit to TGA.

Does the new version work with NKRank? And will the rank times be reset to account for changes in the model?

I asked Jaap and he said:
"Yes, I think we should reset the times to make sure they are comparible."

Gotta say, I'm really liking the 1.3 final guys, but I have to agree with others..the FFB is pretty numb now. Feels like there's a load more damping built in than before. It's nowhere near as detailed as it was.

Looking forward to testing the online later