by Grazie Fabio, ma agire su camber e toe può essere utile ?
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Leonardo Ratafia
Fabio Grippa
Luca Mosca
giancarlo graziano
Simon Bevcic-batina
Wally Masterson
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Replays/Setup for F3 at Zandvoort
Luca Mosca- ---
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Fabio Grippa- Driver
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Non per cambiare il comportamento in rilascio...li è molto efficacie il differenziale...provare per credere...valori tipici di toe per F3 sono -0.2 davanti e +0.07 dietro...nn mi discosterei molto da questi....sul camber comandano un po' le temeprature, io non uso valori troppo alti (-2 davanti, -0.8 dietro)...
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Ari-Tnx! 
Gianluca Bonifacio- Driver
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come dice Fabio se il tuo problema è quando lasci il gas serve a poco toccare camber e convergenze... riguardo i camber il setup di base della F3 riprodotta in nk dovrebbe essere da -2°45' a -3°45' front e tra -1°45' e 3°15' rear a seconda delle gomme utilizzate.. le convergenze sono circa quelle scritte da Fabio 0°10/0°20 aperta ant e 0°10/0°20 chiusa dietro, totali e non per ruota... poi cmq sono numeri da prendere un pò con le molle e da usare come base di partenza perchè vanno adattati alle temperature delle gomme pista per pista...
Fabio Grippa- Driver
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Effettivamente il camber di un 305 reale è intorno ai valori che dici tu, ma se li uso in netkar le T delle gomme sono molto alte all'interno...inoltre avere un po' meno camber dietro aiuta un pelo in accelerazione credo...per i toe, sapevo circa 0°15' aperta davanti e 0°05' chiusa dietro (che in gradi è -0.250 e +0.083), un pelo meno di quello che consigli tu...ma come dici, valori da riadattare sempre un po'...Ma poi, quella riprodotta in netkar, è una 304 o una 305?
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Lui sostiene quanto segue: 
PS:....cmq, ari-ari-tnx!
PS:....cmq, ari-ari-tnx!
M Carey wrote:What car do we have? I thought Riccardo Azzoli said quite recently it was a F304 with a Opel Spiess engine.Andrea Lojelo wrote:The info I posted this morning are related to the current version. info on the website (at least for the FTarget) and on Lastplace graphs are outdated
Gianluca Bonifacio- Driver
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io sapevo una 302... siamo a posto... 
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Gianluca Bonifacio wrote:io sapevo una 302... siamo a posto...
Fabio Grippa- Driver
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302,303 e 304 in fondo sono la stessa macchina, a parte 2 o 3 aggiornamenti...poi c'è la famiglia 305/306/307, 308/309/310/311, ed oggi e' stata presentata la 312 (l'ultima cifra è l'anno della macchina)! Chiederemo a Kunos che faccia un aggiornamento!
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Clive Melbourne- Driver
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Andrea Lojelo wrote:those are the characteristic of the engine:
208 bhp @6250 RPM
265 Nm @5500 RPM
with a limiter at 8000 RPM (so very high).
torque and power goes down quite fast after their maximum, so isn't worth shifting after th 6300 RPM.
AIM lights are correct are correct.
{nk folder}\cars\Ftarget\setup\aim.ini
- Code:
[AIM]
RPM1=5900
RPM2=6000
RPM3=6100
RPM4=6200
RPM5=6300
AL1=1
AL2=2
AL3=3
AL4=4
CHANNEL1=9
CHANNEL2=1
CHANNEL3=2
CHANNEL4=17
CHANNEL5=0
ENABLED=1
The problem is the sound. if you look at the
{nk folder}\cars\Ftarget\sfx\engine.nke
we have the onhigh sound that is used between 7000 and 10000 rpm, that's definitely too high.
[SAMPLE_4]
FILENAME=Ftrgt-onhigh.wav
IN=7000
OUT=10000
I'm not sure if this is done on purpose or it's a mistake.
Does anyone have time to do some experiments with the sound changing the IN and OUT for the samples?
It should "feel" right to shift at 6300 RPM.
I would try with the onhigh sample setting IN around 5800-6000 and have an even distribution with the lower revs samples.
I have been trying to solve the LED blip, for me changing @6300 RPM does not seem right, when you change gear you are already @ 6000 RPM , so you accelerate just 300RPM then change gear again, for me the LED's are always flashing, so here is what i have changed , it seems to be more realistic.
(backup the original)
Put this in {nk folder}\cars\Ftarget\setup\aim.ini
[AIM]
RPM1=6000
RPM2=6200
RPM3=6400
RPM4=6600
RPM5=6800
AL1=1
AL2=2
AL3=3
AL4=4
CHANNEL1=9
CHANNEL2=1
CHANNEL3=2
CHANNEL4=17
CHANNEL5=0
ENABLED=1
Leonardo Ratafia- Driver
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for what i see here, it´s just a matter or personal taste (if i understand what you are talkin about 
)
you have to shift at a certain rpm, let say 6300rpm, so you can setup the leds acording to shift when the first led blinks or with the last red led blinking,
if you set rpm5 to 6800 and you shift at the red leds you will be shifting beyond the power line of the engine.
)you have to shift at a certain rpm, let say 6300rpm, so you can setup the leds acording to shift when the first led blinks or with the last red led blinking,
if you set rpm5 to 6800 and you shift at the red leds you will be shifting beyond the power line of the engine.
Clive Melbourne- Driver
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so if the best RPM to change at is 6300, you only have 300/400 RPM in each gear, so that means you are changing gear every 2 seconds.
The thing that annoyed me with the LED lights was that when you change gear they were already flashing, so they serve no purpose.
The thing that annoyed me with the LED lights was that when you change gear they were already flashing, so they serve no purpose.
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In this case I think it depends on how you set your gears ratios. Maybe your gears are too close between each other.
Clive Melbourne- Driver
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i have found the same thing with different setups , I have used the default and today I tried J Anton's. And it is always the same with the LED lights.
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