Barcelona 2010

Some guys ask me the set on the server so i've decided to share it.
It's an hotlap set, so a lot oversteering, how i love the sets.
If u find it too many oversteering simple decrease rear antiroll from 34 to 20 per example.
My pb is 23 low.
This is an onboard lap, not fast cause fps problem during "live" capture, but i hope can help u.

The set:
SPRING_LF=130.000000
SPRING_RF=130.000000
SPRING_LR=140.000000
SPRING_RR=140.000000
PACKER_LF=180.000000
PACKER_RF=180.000000
PACKER_LR=160.000000
PACKER_RR=160.000000
SLOWBUMP_LF=3450.000000
SLOWBUMP_RF=3450.000000
SLOWBUMP_LR=3450.000000
SLOWBUMP_RR=3450.000000
SLOWREBOUND_LF=6500.000000
SLOWREBOUND_RF=6500.000000
SLOWREBOUND_LR=7250.000000
SLOWREBOUND_RR=7250.000000
FASTBUMP_LF=600.000000
FASTBUMP_RF=600.000000
FASTBUMP_LR=600.000000
FASTBUMP_RR=600.000000
FASTREBOUND_LF=1300.000000
FASTREBOUND_RF=1300.000000
FASTREBOUND_LR=1300.000000
FASTREBOUND_RR=1300.000000
CAMBER_LF=-3.200000
CAMBER_RF=-3.200000
CAMBER_LR=-1.600000
CAMBER_RR=-1.600000
PRELOAD_LF=30.000000
PRELOAD_RF=30.000000
PRELOAD_LR=50.000000
PRELOAD_RR=50.000000
PREROD_LF=-60.000000
PREROD_RF=-60.000000
PREROD_LR=-80.000000
PREROD_RR=-80.000000
ARB_FRONT=40.000000
ARB_REAR=34.000000
TOE_LF=-0.200000
TOE_RF=-0.200000
TOE_LR=0.100000
TOE_RR=0.100000
BRAKEBIAS=57.000000
DIFF_POWER=5.000000
DIFF_COAST=25.000000
DIFF_PRELOAD=25.000000
STEER_RATIO=14.000000
FINALRATIO=3.600000
GEAR1=2.800000
GEAR2=2.400000
GEAR3=1.800000
GEAR4=1.460000
GEAR5=1.260000
GEAR6=1.120000
WING1=28.000000
WING2=26.000000
FUEL=10.000000
FOV=50.000000
SEATHEIGHT=0.060000
SEATPOS=-0.140000
FFGAIN=1.200000
FFDAMPING=0.000000
FFFRICTION=0.000000
AUTOCLUTCH=1.000000
AUTOCUTOFF=1.000000
CUTOFFTIME=50.000000
VMIRROR=1.000000
CLUTCHSPEEDDN=50.000000
CLUTCHSPEEDUP=200.000000
PRESSURE_LF=18.200001
PRESSURE_RF=18.200001
PRESSURE_LR=18.400002
PRESSURE_RR=18.400000
BRAKES_MULT=100.000000

The onboard:

any chance of uploading the actual set mate?

this is crazy faster than a virgin f1 or a hispania team in qualyfying... something must be wrong way too fast for a gp2

gp2 cars pole time was 1 27.9

MikaRaymond wrote:any chance of uploading the actual set mate?

Mate the last set is that u can see two post ago.
The set used in the video can do 1.24 hight, the other posted 1.23 low.
And if u test it u can see that gear are different.

Respect the video u can use the same gear, only the left corner after the split u can do in 3° gear and not in 2° gear.

ah ok yes i see, thanks ;D

Albert McSaltens wrote:this is crazy faster than a virgin f1 or a hispania team in qualyfying... something must be wrong way too fast for a gp2

gp2 cars pole time was 1 27.9

This track we drive on is the old layout of the track -with the two fast corners at the end..-, the new one which is used since 2007 has a chiane in its last sector and laptimes are a few seconds slower now because of this. Before 2007 F1 cars drove laptimes around 1:15 - 1:16 min., so nothing is wrong with our car or track.

M Waechter wrote:

Albert McSaltens wrote:this is crazy faster than a virgin f1 or a hispania team in qualyfying... something must be wrong way too fast for a gp2

gp2 cars pole time was 1 27.9

This track we drive on is the old layout of the track -with the two fast corners at the end..-, the new one which is used since 2007 has a chiane in its last sector and laptimes are a few seconds slower now becasue of this. Before 2007 F1 cars drove laptimes around 1:15 - 1:16 min., so nothing is wrong with our car or track.

you are wrong
f1 use this layout since 2007 if you look real qualy laptimes 2010 f1 hispania and virgin lapped 1.25 and gp2 real cars 1.28 same layout

added fix 1.1 on first post

Albert McSaltens wrote:

M Waechter wrote:

Albert McSaltens wrote:this is crazy faster than a virgin f1 or a hispania team in qualyfying... something must be wrong way too fast for a gp2

gp2 cars pole time was 1 27.9

This track we drive on is the old layout of the track -with the two fast corners at the end..-, the new one which is used since 2007 has a chicane in its last sector, etc. and laptimes are a few seconds slower nowadays because of this. Before 2007 F1 cars drove laptimes around 1:15 - 1:16 min. on this old layout we use as well here in NKPro, so nothing is wrong with our car or track.

you are wrong
f1 use this layout since 2007 if you look real qualy laptimes 2010 f1 hispania and virgin lapped 1.25 and gp2 real cars 1.28 same layout

Regarding the beta of this NKPro Barcelona track -we used for the last f1800 season- the track was all about the OLD layout which results in faster laptimes. I think the track developer didn't change it to the new layout in the last weeks/months -used since 2007 in real racing- or did he ?

M Waechter wrote:

Albert McSaltens wrote:

M Waechter wrote:

Albert McSaltens wrote:this is crazy faster than a virgin f1 or a hispania team in qualyfying... something must be wrong way too fast for a gp2

gp2 cars pole time was 1 27.9

This track we drive on is the old layout of the track -with the two fast corners at the end..-, the new one which is used since 2007 has a chicane in its last sector, etc. and laptimes are a few seconds slower nowadays becasue of this. Before 2007 F1 cars drove laptimes around 1:15 - 1:16 min. on this old layout we use as well here in NKPro, so nothing is wrong with our car or track.

you are wrong
f1 use this layout since 2007 if you look real qualy laptimes 2010 f1 hispania and virgin lapped 1.25 and gp2 real cars 1.28 same layout

Regarding the beta of this NKPro Barcelona track -we used for the last f1800 season- the track was all about the OLD layout which results in faster laptimes. I think the track developer didn't change it to the new layout in the last weeks/months -used since 2007 in real racing- or did he ?

we are not racing the same track as the 1800 championship we are using the 2010 layout lool look at the first post i posted the links there

eehm yes, I watched a replay (video) of the track after I did my last post, now I see too that it's maybe different and the new layout is used now, didn't expected this..

Thank u for fix Alberts !

this is crazy faster than a virgin f1 or a hispania team in qualyfying... something must be wrong way too fast for a gp2

gp2 cars pole time was 1 27.9

On a simulator, drivers are often quicker because theres no fear.you can drive at 110% all the time because if you fall off, you dont have to buy a new car

Martin Hussey wrote:

this is crazy faster than a virgin f1 or a hispania team in qualyfying... something must be wrong way too fast for a gp2

gp2 cars pole time was 1 27.9

On a simulator, drivers are often quicker because theres no fear.you can drive at 110% all the time because if you fall off, you dont have to buy a new car

True but not worth 3 seconds

real gp2 is 1.27 so maybe 4 to 5 seconds xD

I know another reason for this quite fast laptimes , it is simply because
Michele is the 'Barcelona-king' I guess , 1:23.x is really fast, you were also fast in the f1800 there I remember.. .
In the last hours I downloaded the track and did my kind of setup.., but the fastest I can reach is a low 1:27 min. so far.. .

A thing that maybe could be improved on the track:
before and in the chicane the track is very bumpy, I always have to drive very slowly there to aviod losing the car on the bumpy ground.. .


edit: I did some very little changes on my setup, gave a bit more stiff at the slow bump of the front axis, now the bumps are not so difficult to handle anymore.. .
Improved also a bit, I can get into 1:25.x times. But I'm sliding much (..have set much less downforce than Michele), so the laps after the first one are much slower.

lol michele from your setup this mean you use autoclutch lool??
AUTOCLUTCH=1.000000
AUTOCUTOFF=1.000000
CUTOFFTIME=50.000000

Yes, why ?

senza AUTOCLUTCH devi giocare col piedino ...ma la risposta della macchina ben diversa...
prova bisogna farsi la mano ..prima l usavo come te...poi.. da quando ho segito i consigli di Gilles...sono sceso di un secondo e piu su tutti i track..

Cosa ???
Ma se è un cambio SEQUENZIALE cosa c'incastra la frizione automatica o meno ?!?!?
In teoria dovrebbe aiutare SOLO quando esco dal box, nell'inerzia iniziale, poi stop !

E poi giocare con il piedino, quale piedino e in quali circostanze ?

Stiamo parlando della KS2 ricordo, non della 500.

Allora mosso da curiosità ho provato.
La risposta della macchina per me non cambia.
L'unica differenza che c'è è che con il 90% del gas premuto la macchina non scala, per il resto non ho notato differenze !

Uhm dopo aver sfruzzicato con il differenziale ho notato che in staccata effettivamente qualcosa cambia.

Questo è un bel BUG però amici miei.

Con un sequenziale come quello di una formula che la frizione sia auto o manuale NON DEVE CAMBIARE nulla !
Specialmente in staccata ! Assolutamente nulla !

Se prendete qualsiasi altro SIM con le auto con cambio sequenziale sia che usato la frizione automatico che manuale non cambia nulla.
L'unica differenza che ci dovrebbe essere e che infatti almeno quella c'è è che non ti scala le marce sopra un certo regime con la frizione manuale ed è giusto cosi.

Ma il comportamente del differenziale non può essere diverso perché ingannato dall'innesco di una frizione "automatica", che nella realtà avviene lo stesso anche per chi ha frizione manuale.

Non so se mi sono spiegato ma se c'è un esperto di sequenziali forse ha capito lol.

setting the differential as in reality has always had an influence on braking,particularly on the behavior of the car in the braking zones,

I know we shouldnt need the barrier on the last corners to stop cutting, but there was just one guy who cut the corner every lap. i had to park at the side of the track to stop him taking the shortcut and cheating. Really needs a barrier there