26 April 2012: Monza

Here is the schedule:
Prequalification until Thurday 26 April 2012 at 10:00 AM.
drivers from 1 to 15 in group A NOTE: replay of the lap needs to be submitted using our ticket system
drivers from 16 to 30 in group B

Thursday 26 April 2012
21:00 (CET, UTC+1) Briefing in our Chat
Qualification: 15 minutes. No restriction on the amount of laps
Warmup: 5 min (waiting time before the race session)
Race 1: 7 laps
Warmup: 5 min (waiting time before the race session)
Race 2: 12 laps (inverted grid)

Races will NOT be in Full Mode.

VERY IMPORTANT
Please make sure you download this update:netKar PRO v1.30.1727 RSR update

we will reset laptimes for the prequalification, since times are slower in the new release.
We will select automatically times after the start of the new server. Yesterday's times will count.

ah, all right , was just wondering what happened to the live timing laptimes (I at first thought to clean up some possible earlier cutted laps it was resetted) and I also recognized that the times might be slower now. I this the case for all cars ? (would be bad for all the v1.3 final laptimes on the rank), maybe it will 'corrected' in the final release of the update, so that timing is the same again (?). If physics changed slightly in general (seems so at the Gvb, but almost not recoginzeable for me) for all cars then it is impossible to adjust s.th. at the timing of course.

ok, back to the track to do some better (more decent ) lap.. .

Andrea Lojelo wrote:we will reset laptimes for the prequalification, since times are slower in the new release.
We will select automatically times after the start of the new server. Yesterday's times will count.

DONE.
Live Timing updated with times set only with the new release

why laps are slower with the new release??

seems the new update also affects the physics slightly (car(s) are slightly less bound to the track or s.th. like that).

In my humble opinion the new update does slipping a little too self, both as a lateral force is both in braking. ..... .. ... I know only if changing a little setup you can remove (at least a little) this problem or not. Thanks in advance. Ciaooooo.

Don't know what you exactly meant by 'slipping', maybe it feels a little more like driving on 'slime' (s.th. like that -joke-) all over, not just at braking (don't see a difference in braking compared to before, I find it even maybe slightly like 2 % easier on the brakes + turning wheel at once now).
But I can drive the car like 100% the same as before, setup reacts the same also as before (not tried much different ones now with the update, but I guess there will be no surprises), just the laptimes are a little (a few tenth) slower
due to that little more 'slip' I guess.
But (as an advantage) it seems people's laptimes are more close together now with this update. Could even be, that this kind of physic with the update is now set to a even more realistic kind of way. The fastest guys were about 1,5 sec. in front (of me and others) at their pbs before the update -and I had almost no idea how they could use their car(s) to be -that- fast, now after the update it is just about 0,5 sec. by now.

But I'll wait for Maarten and Gilles and so on, maybe they teach me s.th. different with just a bit more practice with the update and they'll be 1,0 sec.+ in front as well again with the update at the end .

Maybe you're right , but I think if the car glides more means that there is less grip on the wheels, perhaps fell the difference of time because it will be very strict about RSR cuts the chicane, well we'll see what will happen in the race, my only criticism was the developer update, because (if I understand correctly) we're trying for them too. Thanks for your interest.

gianluca gentile wrote:Thanks for your interest.

Yeah, I'm maybe too interested in driving this sim at the moment, I should do other things (studying) .

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Why not testing an update even in our champ.-races, it's the same thing for everyone at our races ? I guess we not test the physics (I guess the dev. team knows well by themself, what it is doing there), we just check for possible (very minor) bugs or unexpected things like that.

For some 'entertaining' only, here in this thread I updated / included now some new video-links of various (hot)laps recordings -the four new added links before the 'further replays:' begin-.
1.) Gvb @ A1 Ring -I saved all hotlap-replays of that event after each session, so got tons of laps 20+ in total, in video are the 10 quickest of that -, 2.) Vintage & Vintage Replica @ A1 Ring incl. two more laps of Gvb at Prato out of the testing on that track back then, Osella @ Imola, 3.) Vintage Replica @ Nürburgring -recorded live-, 4.) Vintage Replica @ Nordschleife -recorded live-.

i think that it's better for the prequalification a practice server not one where there are races and you don't make a polite lap....

the reason for having a server with races also is because we believe it's important that people don't only practice hotlaps, but also to stay closer during races.

Danilo Biggio wrote: and you don't make a polite lap....

You don't have always to take part at the race, just stay in the box at the starts, wait a bit until the field is half a lap far away and start / drive your hotlaps in the race sessions -That's how at least I do it, to me it makes no difference if I'm in a practice/qualy session or a race session (beside that the race-sessions are a bit shorter -in case of 5 laps-). In case you are the only one, the only car in the session you can press 'next session' to get to the 16 mins. qualifying session. -We need some practice in starting from the grid, to know where to brake to the first corner and to be careful enough at the event then and check out possible overtaking lines that could happen beside the ideal-racing line and so on if you want to.

Andrea, posso distubarti visto che sei on-line? Non ho capito la differenza dei due gruppi A-B, potresti delucidarmi?


Andrea, I can distubare you, since you are online? I did not understand the difference between the two groups A-B, could you help me?

sono in chat

i server per le gare sono composti da 15 persone l'uno. con le prequalifiche formiamo i gruppi. 1-15 gruppo A, 16-30 gruppo B.

il tempo di prequalifica deve essere fatto sul nostro server con live timing, e i primi 15 devono fornire il replay del loro giro.

Andrea Lojelo wrote:i server per le gare sono composti da 15 persone l'uno. con le prequalifiche formiamo i gruppi. 1-15 gruppo A, 16-30 gruppo B.

il tempo di prequalifica deve essere fatto sul nostro server con live timing, e i primi 15 devono fornire il replay del loro giro.

Ok, ora è chiaro , grazieee!

@Luca: Please delete my fastest lap 1:52.515 min., I got off the track at the exit of the Ascari chicane -which is not valid I think-, because of taking a little too high speed into the left cornering just before the straight . Maybe I'll be faster than that in future, but I doubt it, so delete it .

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With the update it is definately more difficult now in extreme situations: when you hit the gras with a rear wheel while braking or being in fast corners your rear goes off and once your rear 'overtakes' you, the car is not as easy to catch anymore, you need double the space than before to get in control again.
When your rear goes off and you lose control completely the car is even not stoppable anymore on the brakes, brakes take not as much of an effect as before when the car slides, so mostly you just slide and slide and slide despite braking until you see and hear boom at the next wall .
So that can lead to hard situations in a race, because when a guy in front loses control, his car will probably slide all over the track and the following cars can't aviod hitting that car, we need to be even more careful, when the driver in front makes a mistake than try to react immediately to get far away from the situation in front.
I also tried the F1800 at Donington same difficuties there at first -losing rear much more easy at the exit of chicane on the gas, that was almost not possilbe before the update for example and as with the Gvb in fast corners you need usually more space now (going wide in most cases), I had to set the ARB more conservative on that car (F1800) then it felt fine as long as no mistakes on the rear occur in certain situations (big slides).


But I like the handling more than before, I think it is indeed some kind of more realistic, the cars feel not so stiff anymore, you can steer the cars much more and better with the rear now: -when you silde the car in a corner, it does not 'choke itself' (slows down) anymore in that particlar moment when the slide is done / the tires grap the grip to the asphalt again.

M Waechter wrote:@Luca: Please delete my fastest lap 1:52.515 min., I got off the track at the exit of the Ascari chicane -which is not valid I think-, because of taking a little too high speed into the left cornering just before the straight . Maybe I'll be faster than that in future, but I doubt it, so delete it .

...as you want

Possono essere pubblici i replay? Cosi uno si da una regolata...

Per me non c'è problema...il mio sarà pubblico...

liotti69 wrote:Possono essere pubblici i replay? Cosi uno si da una regolata...

Replays should be uploaded through or ticketing system, and are not visible for anyone else than the Verification Team.
Of course, if you guys want to publish them here as well, we don't have anything against it as long as you upload them with the ticketing system as well.
For us that's the official tool to use, because will help us keeping track of what's going on.

Guys, please don't forget your allocation.